Awf‡bZv Ges Av‡iv A‡b‡K, †mUv G‡mwQ‡jv ¯‹z‡j| wKš‘ KweZv Ggb GKUv wKQy hv Avwg RvbZvg †h Avwg Ki‡Z †_‡KwQjvg|
†dwim: IUv PgrKvi| †Kvb Kweiv Avcbvi †jLv‡K cÖfvweZ K‡i? IqvjKU: Avm‡j,K¨vwiexqvb †jLvcovi welqwU n‡jv GUv LyeB K¬vwmK Gi Dr‡mi †¶‡Î| Avgiv †k•wcqi c‡owQ, Avgiv wW‡KÝ I ¯‹U c‡owQ Ges Avgv‡`i †`Iqv me †jLK‡`i| weªwUk ¯‹zj cvV¨m~wP g‡Zv GKB wk¶v c×wZ Avgv‡`i K¨vivexqv‡bI wQj|

Avgiv j¨vwUb wk‡LwQ GKB mv‡_, Ges wKQy wKQy w؇c Zviv j¨vwUb I wMÖK fvlv wkLv‡Zv| Avwg KL‡bv wMÖK wkwLwb, wKš‘ eviev‡Wvm j¨vwUb I wMÖK wk‡LwQ‡jv| Avwg LyeB mywL †h Avwg j¨vwUb wk‡LwQ Ges Avwg LyeB `ytwLZ †h GB ¯‹zj ¸‡jv‡Z GLb Avi j¨vwUb †bB, KviY GUv GKwU †gŠwjK fvlv Ges Lye PgrKvi|

†dwim: †WBjvb Ugvm Kx Kwe hv‡K Avcwb cÖZ¨vL¨vb K‡iwQ‡jb?

IqvjKU: n¨v, n¨v| Avwg g‡b KiZvg bv †h Avwg cÖfvweZ n‡ev hZUv GKRb wk¶vbwek wkL‡Z †Póv Ki‡Zv cÖ‡Z¨‡Ki KvQ‡_‡K| Lye Aí eq‡m Avwg Avgvi Kv‡Ri bgybv K‡iwQ †mB me †jLK‡`I hv‡`i Avwg f³, A‡Wb †_‡K †WBjvb Ugvm Ges Ab¨vb¨iv| Avgvi ¯^vaxbZv wQ‡jv, hZ `~i g‡b c‡o mgq Ávb wQ‡jv bv, †hgb GKwU Bswjm ¯‹zjevjK ev GKwU Av‡gwiKv‡bi nq‡Zv wQ‡jv mgq I w`‡bi µgweb¨vm Abymv‡i|
BwZnv‡mi µg Avgvi Rb¨ cÖ‡Rvh¨ wQ‡jv bv| Avwg †h †Kvb Kv‡j Nyi‡Z gy³ wQjvg hv Avgvi fv‡jvjvMZ Ges gy³ wQjvg AbyKi‡Y Ges †h †Kvb mg‡qi bgybv KiZvg wb‡R‡K, Zv †m †k•wc‡ii †nvK ev Zv †m AwfW ev `vb‡Zi Abyev` †nvK| Avwg cªZvi‡Ki g‡ZvI ej‡Z PvB bv| Avwg ïay ejwQ Avwg Avm‡j gy³ wQjvg Gme †_‡K

†dwim: †Kvb Kwe‡`i Avcwb GLbI co‡Qb?

IqvjKU: mgmvgqxK‡`i g‡a¨ wKQyw`‡bi g‡a¨ c‡owQ wdwjc jviwKb Ges wmgvm n¨vwb| Avwg cj& †gvjWb‡K †ek cQ›` Kwi| Av‡iv A‡b‡K bvg Av‡Q| mevi bvg ejvUv KwVb|
†dwim: Avcwb †mB ˆK‡kvi †_‡K 25UviI †ewk bvUK wj‡L‡Qb| Avcbvi bvU‡Ki cÖwZ AvMÖn †Kv_v †_‡K G‡m‡Q?

IqvjKU: Avgvi gv Lye †k•wcqi Ave„wË Ki‡Zb| wZwb †k•wcq‡ii bvU‡K AwfbqI K‡iwQ‡jb| ZvB wZwb bvbvb DPzgv‡bi KweZv Ni Ry‡i Ave„wË Ki‡Zb| Avwg Zv ïbZvg Avi fveZvg †Kvb GKw`b AvwgI Zvi g‡Zv wKQy GKUv Ave„wË Ki‡Z cvi‡ev Ges Avgvi evev A‡ckv`vi Awfbq Ki‡Zb| Avwg eskMwZwelqK weÁv‡b Lye wek¦vwm| cwi‡e‡ki Kvi‡Y, Af¨vm ev wb‡`©kbvi Kvi‡Y, Avwg Avgvi gv‡qi Awfbq †_‡K g~jZ bvU‡Ki Abyf~wZ DËivwaKvi m~‡Î †c‡qwQ| wKš‘ Av‡iKUv KviY n‡jv Avwg Lye Mfxi fv‡e Kvwe¨K bvUKwb‡q,ev †h bvUK MZvbyMwZK Ges mvaviY Zv wb‡q fvwe|

Avwg Lye gy³-KvVv‡gvi cwi‡e‡kI wQjvg| GB cÖwaKviB ej‡Z wkwL‡q‡Q,Ò wVK Av‡Q, Avwg GKwU bvUK Ki‡Z hvw”Q hv‡Z Av‡Q GB A_ev hv Gi g‡a¨|ÓGes Avcwb bvUKUv Ki‡eb GKwU †QvÆ inm¨gq GmwU. wjDwmqvi g‡Zv w؇c-- GUv GK ai‡Yi ¯^vaxbZv, Zvi †P‡qI †ewk †h‡nZz Avwg wQjvg c~e© cÖR‡b¥i wbqš¿Yvaxb aviYv‡Z|

†dwim: bvUK Avcbv‡K Kx cÖKvk Ki‡Z †`q hv KweZv †`q bv?

IqvjKU: Avwg g‡b Kwi KweZ †h †Kvb wKQy cªKvk Ki‡Z cv‡i| c„w_exi gnr wKQy bvUK Avm‡j KweZv|

†dwim: †Kvb bvU¨Kvi Avcbv‡K cÖfvweZv K‡i?

IqvjKU: Avevi, DËiUv AvZ¥¤¢wi †kvbv‡e, wKš‘ GKRb bex‡bi Rb¨, †mMy‡jv AvZ¥¤¢wi bq| †k•wcq‡ii ¯úó cÖfve Av‡Q KweZvi Rb¨, Ges wKQy wKQy †¶‡Î †RKweqv‡bi| Zvici, eviUjU& weª±(Bertolt Brecht)| Avi †K? wms, AvBwim cybR©vMiY,AvBwim †jLKiv|

†dwim: Avcwb gnvKve¨ I‡gim(Omeros) wj‡LwQ‡jb, †nvgv‡ii BwjqvW Ges IwWwmmi wesk kZvãxi cyYK_b hvi NUbvUv K¨vivweqv‡b ¯’vwcZ| Ges Avcwb GKUv bvUKI K‡i‡Qb IwWwm‡mi Dci wbf©i K‡i|

IqvjKU: Avwg ïa‡i w`‡Z PvB †h, m¤cÖwZ hv Avwg K‡i AvmwQ AK¬vš—fv‡e| eBUv †nvgv‡ii BwjqvW Ges IwWwmm Gi Dci wbe©I K‡i bq| Zviv n‡”Q ms‡hvM, Abygvb Ges ms‡hvM, Ges HUvB hv eBUv j‡Z †P‡q‡Q| GwKwjm bv‡g GKRb †R‡j-- Ges GLv‡b Ggb GKRb e¨w³ Av‡Q Ges GKRb gvbyl Av‡Q hvi bvg †n±i Ñ Zv‡`i †Kb aviYv †bB †h Zviv Kviv|
Ges NUbvwU AbyKib bq| ¯§„wZPviYUv nj GUv Avm‡j wK, †nvgv‡ii Dcv¶v‡bi cÖwZaŸwb Ges ¯§„wZPviY hv GLv‡b Av‡Q| GKB fv‡e wØcUv nq‡Zv, GK A‡_©, GB w`M‡š—i Ab¨ GKUv w؇ci cÖwZaŸwb enb K‡i| GUv ZvB hvi Dci wbf©i K‡i cÖavbZ n‡q‡Q, †nvgvi‡K †Kivexqvb Xs-G cybivq †jLv nqwb| †mUv n‡e D™¢U| GUv R‡q‡mi BDwjwmm g‡Zv K‡i wbwg©Z bq, hv‡Z we‡klfv‡e jvB‡bi ci jvBb Ggb wKQy Zz‡j aiv n‡q‡Q hv N‡U‡Q IwWwm‡Z|

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IqvjKU: wKš‘ GUv ¯§„wZPviY Ges A_©c~Y©| GUv gyiZ G m¤ú‡K©B| eBGi †k‡l, eB †jL‡Ki w`‡K Ny‡i `vwo‡q‡Q ejvi Rb¨ †h, GB me cÖvPxbZv eÜ Ki Ges †PóvKi Ges ev¯—eZv‡K †evS †Kv_vq Zzwg Av‡Qv|

†dwim: Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man Mª‡š’ R‡qm e‡j‡Qb †h wZwb cvwj‡q‡Qb cwiev‡ii Rvj †_‡K, a‡g©i Ges ivRbxwZi| R‡qm wb‡R Zvi wØc †Q‡o‡Qb Ges wPiw`‡bi Rb¨ cªevwm n‡qwQ‡jb| Avcwb Avevi wb‡Ri †`‡k wd‡i‡Qb Ges Avcwb Avcbvi ms¯‹…wZi mv‡_ GKUv cybwg©jb NwU‡q‡Qb|

IqvjKU: mwZ¨KviA‡_© Avwg KL‡bvB wew”Qbœ wQjvg GUv †_‡K| Avm‡j Avgvi KL‡bvB Qvovi B”Qv wQ‡jv bv| Avwg g‡b Kwi Avw¯’iZv Ges AmwnòzZv Ges ivM-- Gi †Kvb A_© †bB Avgvi Kv‡Ri †fZi| Avwg Qv‡o †h‡Z cvwi bv KviY Avwg bvU‡Ki Kv‡Q cÖ_‡g cÖwZkÖ“wZe× Ges Avwg I‡q÷ BwÛqvi bvUK‡K wb‡q Avm‡Z cvwi bv GB Ae¯’vi †fZiw`‡q hvi †fZi w`‡q Avwg wM‡qwQjvg|

†dwim: Avcwb †Kb IwWwm Ges BwjqvW‡K Mí wn‡m‡e †U‡b G‡b‡Qb?

IqvjKU: Avcwb GKUv Øxccy‡Ä evmK‡ib Ges BDwjwmmI ZvB, †nvgviI| me mvwnZ¨B IwWwmi Kv‡Q FYx, ZvB GB mvwnZ¨I Kg FYx bq| Aek¨B GB mvwnZ¨ A‡bK †ewk ev¯—e mv`„k¨ †_‡K wb‡q G‡m‡Q, †hgb, GBwRqvb mvMi ev mgy‡`ª `xN© hvÎv Ges wd‡i Avmvi Mí¸‡jv ev¯—weKfv‡e cÖwZw`bB Dcw¯’Z hw` Avgiv †`wL K¨vivexqv‡b †`L‡ev cvj‡Zv‡j †KD hvÎv Ki‡Q A_ev wd‡i Avm‡Q| GUv †h †Kvb RvqMvqB mZ¨| GUv Ggb kw³kvjx cÖZxwK wRwbm †h, GUv welq bv Avcwb †Kv_vq Av‡Qb, Avcwb fve‡Z cvi‡eb GKRb GKvwK bvweK‡K BDwjwmm wn‡m‡e| GUv cwibZ nq we‡k¦i Dr‡cÖ¶vq|

Avgvi g‡b nq Avwg nq‡Zv hv Ki‡Z †P‡qwQ Zv n‡jv GmwU. wjDwmqvi †R‡j‡`i wb‡q Ges Zv‡`i Rxeb wb‡q wjL‡Z †P‡qwQ| Avm‡j cÖavbZ GUvB| GUv mgy`ª wb‡q GKUv eB| GUv ¯§„wZ wb‡q eB| wKš‘ GUv BDwjwm‡mi Awfh‡bi Dci wfwË K‡i †jLv nqwb|

†dwim: Avcbv‡K gnvKve¨ †jLvi e¨vcv‡i wK AvKl©Y K‡i‡Q? Gi †fZi w`‡q wK Ki‡Z †P‡qwQ‡jb?

IqvjKU: Avwg gnvKve¨ †jLvi Rb¨ ïi“ Kwiwb| GUv Avm‡j Av‡bK w`N© Avi A‡bK eo n‡q †M‡Q,Ges Avgvi g‡bnq †m Kvi‡YB GUv‡K gnvKve¨ ejv nq| GKwU gnvKv‡e¨i Mš—e¨ mvaviYZ GK ai‡ji ivR‰bwZK Mš—e¨ nq| GUv mvaviYZ gvby‡li DËi‡Yi Rb¨ hvi †fZi †_‡K wn‡iv †ewi‡q Av‡m ev GUv †mUv Ki‡Z Pvq, Avcwb Rv‡bb? H iKg GKRb wn‡iv cvIqvi e¨vcv‡i Avgiv LyeB ¶gZvnxb| myZivs eB‡qi cÖm¯’Zv, eB‡qi w`N©Zv mwZ¨B Dc‡jLvi welq| GUv wbQK eo Avi †gvUv n‡q‡Q|

wKš‘ GUv wb‡q †jLvU †ek Dc‡fvM¨ wQ‡jv, KviY GUv †jLvi mgqUv Ggb wQj †h Avwg cÖwZw`b mKv‡j Nyg‡_‡K D‡V Gi Kv‡Q hvw”Q, †hgbfv‡e ‡KD eo †Kvb d¨v±wi‡Z hvq, Ges Gi wWRvBbUv BwZg‡a¨ Gi cv‡KB wQj| cÖwZw`bGB wjLvi Av‡Q AvmvUv wQj Lye D‡ËRbvi, Gfv‡eB GUv †e‡o IVvi my‡RvMv †c‡q‡Q|

†dwim: KweZv Ges bvUK `y‡UvB HwZnvwmK D`„wZ I Gi c‡iv¶ D‡j­L w`‡q c~Y©| Avcbvi †jLvq BwZnv‡mi wK f~wgKv?

IqvjKU: K¨vwiweqvb‡`i BwZnvm Lye `yt†Li BwZnvm| GUv MYnZ¨vi, `vm‡Z¡i I Pzw³c‡Îi BwZnvm| K¨vivweqvb †hgb my›`i RvqMv †Zgwb Gi wecix‡Z Gi †h BwZnvm Zv `ytLRbK Ges wbg©gfv‡e jyÉb I ni‡Yi AZxZ|

†mB A‡_© K¨vwiweqvi BwZnv‡mi Av‡Q cikªxKvZi A‡jŠwKK Avfv, KviY K¨vwiweqv‡Z hv Kiv n‡qwQj Zv n‡qwQj BwZnv‡mi bv‡g, DbœwZi I cÖmvi‡Yi bv‡g, cÖfyZ¡ ¯’vcb A_ev `Lj `v‡ii mgq †_‡K, bvbv mgªv‡Ui Øviv, hviv GB Øxcy¸‡jv Rq K‡i‡Q| †h hy× GLv‡b N‡UwQ‡jv mgªvU‡`i Kvi‡Y, mvaviY gvby‡li †kvlYB Zvi cwibvg|cÖ_‡g BwÛqvbiv Ges Zvici AvdwiKvbiv Ges GiKg A‡b‡K|

†dwim: Avcwb wK g‡b K‡ib K¨vwiweqv‡Z Ges Av‡iv we¯Z…Zfv‡e wek¦Ry‡o, Avgv‡`i AvR‡Ki mgmvgqxK ms¯‹…wZ HwZnvwmK fv‡e m‡PZb? Avgiv Kx BwZnvm m‡PZb †hfv‡e Av‡Mi cÖRb¥ m‡PZb wQ‡jv?

IqvjKU: Avwg g‡b Kwibv, Avgiv GUv‡K ûgwK ev kw³ wn‡m‡e †`wL hv Avgv‡`i Rxeb‡K wbqš¿b K‡i|weªwUk, d«vÝ, A_ev ¯úvwbm ev cZ©zMvj †hB †nvK, hLb Avcwb Jcwb‡ewkK ZË¡veav‡b wQ‡jb, BwZnvm Avcbvi Kivq‡Ë¡ wQj bv| GUv wQ‡jv Zvi nv‡Z †h Avcbv‡K kvmb KiwQj ev w`K wb‡`©kbv w`w”Q‡jv|

†mUv weKí c_ Qvov Avi wU‡K _vK‡Z cv‡i bv| GUv wU‡K Av‡Q Le †RviK‡i Ges Avgv‡`i Dci GUvB g‡bnq me‡P‡q ¶gZvai cÖfve, Av‡gwiKvi cÖfv‡ei g‡a¨ Av‡Q Avgv‡`i wK Kiv DwPr ev Avgv‡`i wK †Kbv DwPr ev Avgv‡`i wK nIqv DwPr| GUv GKUv mvg¨vR¨ev`x ûgwKI| Ges Avgv‡`i mZK© _vK‡Z n‡e, Avgiv †hb G‡Z ekxf~Z n‡q bv hvB|

†dwim: †m•wcqi Ges Ab¨vb¨ †jLK‡`i FY Avcwb K…ZÁZvf‡i ¯^xKvi K‡ib| Avwg g‡bK‡i Avgvi cy‡iv‡bv eÜz †RKe GjWvi, †UvKv‡Kv‡Z †jvKmvwn‡Z¨i Dci A‡bK KvR K‡i‡Qb| †jvKmvwnZ¨ Ges Avcbvi ejv Mí¸‡jv wKfv‡e Avcbvi Kv‡Ri AvKvi †`q?

IqvjKU: Avwg Zv‡`i‡K GKÎ Kwi g‡Âi †fZi w`‡q, bvU‡Ki †fZi w`‡q|Avwg g‡bKwi GUv GKUv †`vjvi e¨vcvi|GUv †jvKM‡íi †KŠk‡ji e¨vcvi, cybive„wËi aviYv Ges wfbœZv Ges wewfbœ As‡ki h_vh_ AbyeÜb hv †jvK-K_vq G‡m‡Q| Avwg g‡bKwi Avwg H¸‡jv‡K GKÎ Kivi †Póv K‡iwQ wKQy bvU‡K Ges m½x‡Z|

†dwim: Avcbvi †cQ‡bi cÂvk eQ‡iiI †ewk †ckvMZ Rxe‡bi w`‡K ZvKv‡j, Ggb †Kvb cwiKíbv Lyu‡Rcvb wK hv Avcwb B”Qv †cvlb K‡i‡Qb ev hv Avcwb wb‡Z †P‡qwQ‡jb?

IqvjKU: Avwg K¨vwiweqvb‡` wb‡q GKUv Qwe Ki‡Z PvB, c~Y©‰`N¨© Pjw”PÎ| Avwg g‡bKwi K¨vwiweqvb Jcb¨vwmK Ges bvU‡Ki †jvK‡`I KvQ ‡_‡K †bqvi g‡Zv GLv‡b wecyj cwigv‡b Dcv`vb i‡q‡Q hv PgrKvi Qwei Dcv`vb|

†dwim: †mUv n‡e GKUv PgrKvi c`‡¶c, Dcb¨vm wj‡L Zv Pjw”PÎ Kiv|

IqvjKU: n¨v|

†dwim: Avgvi mv‡_ K_v ejvi Rb¨ mgq †`qvq Ges Ggb fv‡e Avcbv wPš—v †kqvi Kivi Rb¨ Avwg Avcbvi Kv‡Q wPiK…ZÁ _vK‡ev|

IqvjKU: Avcbv‡K A‡bK ab¨ev`|

Z_¨m~Î: Humanities, October/ December 2001, Volume 22/Nmber 6